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2008: The Year We Tread Water

I spent all day expecting a return to Royals baseball tonight, only to discover the boys in blue have an extra days rest. Doubtlessly many of you have already seen this post from Marbotty, but if not, its a nice pot-boiler for another sleepless night. --RR

Long-time readers of Royals Review (and short-time readers who like to use the search function) may have stumbled upon this pre-season article in which I predicted that the Royals would win between 72-77 games this year, a 10-15 game improvement from 2006.   As of today, the Royals are on pace to win 70 games this season.  Considering the Royals are coming off of their most successful month in 4 years, and another good start in July, it's not hard to see them settling into that magical 72-77 win range, and making our favorite patriarch very happy and me look like less of an idiot.      

Yes, it's nice that the Royals are making some progress, and while there's nothing classier than using the internets as a medium to brag to strangers  about the accuracy of one's pre-season predictions, it is time for Royals Fans to forget about 2007 for a second and look to see what the future has in store for our team.  

More specifically, it's time for us to partake in what's become an annual mid-season ritual known as "Dreaming About Next Season Since This One's A Disaster" or DANSSTOAD, for short.  (Ritual pictured below).


eh... close enough

Now, while it's not necessarily fair to call 2007 a "disaster," the fact that we're unlikely to finish higher than 4th in our own division means that we cannot in good conscience classify this season as a success.   Clearly, in our own little cocoon known as "Royals Fandom" it's been a pleasant season, in that we've improved to the point where we won't finish dead last in the league, but to the rest of the baseball world, our team still sucks.  

However, (and I realize by saying this that I may be going out on a limb of a Crazy Tree planted in Insanity Orchards,) I think conditions might just be such that we can make another giant leap forward in 2008, and not just into .500-ville, but perhaps all the way to the Upper End of .500-ville.  You know, where teams like the Red Sox live. The Upper-Crusters.

Sounds absolutely batty, doesn't it?  

It's not as crazy as it seems, however. Consider the case of the following three teams and their ascent from mediocrity to non-mediocrity:

CLEVELAND NATIVE AMERICANS
2006 Record:  78-84 (.481)
2007 Record:  52-36 (.591)
Key Additions in 2007: Josh Barfield, David Dellucci, Trot Nixon

How they improved:

Let's face it, the Indians' additions have been busts.  Dellucci and Nixon have both been subpar, and Barfield's being outhit by guys like Tony Pena, Jr.    The pitching staff, while still better than average, has actually given up slightly more runs per game this season (although we're only talking a tenth of a run here).  

Why are they better, then?   It looks like the only real difference is a huge improvement offensively from Martinez and a bounce back season from Jhonny Peralta.  

Seriously, that's it.  Almost everyone that was a regular last year is hitting as well as they did in 2006, and the new additions are hitting as poorly or worse than the guys they replaced (Boone, Belliard, and Michaels).

Can the Royals Replicate their Success?

Initially, it didn't seem there were too many parallels that you can draw between the two teams.  They host one of the premier CF's, an offensive shorstop, and a bigtime DH/1B combo.  And if you look at the team's 2005 performance, 2006 looks more and more like a fluke.

But take a look at those pitching staffs -- they're almost identical:   Sabathia is our Meche, Carmona our Bannister.  Thomson could probably do a pretty decent Byrd impression, complete with high ground ball ratios and "caw"-ing noises.  The bullpens are both stellar, with perhaps the edge going to the Royals.  And the Team ERA's are so close this year (4.52 and 4.47) as to be virtually indistinguishable.  That could get closer once Hochevar finally makes it up next year.

On the offensive side, an outfield of Teahen, DeJesus and Lubanski/Brown looks like it would outclass this year's Cleveland crop, even with Sizemore's individual superiority.  Gordon, should he continue to hit well, could easily match Blake's production at 3rd.  German already is outperforming Barfield, albeit probably not with the glove, and Butler could potentially match Hafner's output, as early as 2008.   Buck is easily Martinez's equal this year.  

So really, it looks like the big difference will be at SS and at 1B.  Signing Adam Dunn would obviously put us a little closer, but we'd still have a bit to go.  In a year or two, though, we may have Moustakas or Bianchi filling that hole, which means that while we're not exactly where we want to be with respect to Cleveland, we're not as far away as it may look.

SEATTLE SAILOR-TYPES
2006 Record: 78-84 (.481)
2007 Record: 49-36 (.576)
Key Additions in 2007:  Miguel Batista, Jeff Weaver, Jose Guillen, Jose Vidro

How they improved:

Adding Weaver and Vidro hasn't worked out.  Guillen's been a huge upgrade over Jeremy Reed, and Miguel's pitching about as well as Meche did last year for the Mariners.  

Aside from Guillen, they haven't really done much to get that much better.   Vidro's an upgrade over Carl Everett, but that's only because Everett couldn't post a .700 OPS.  The pitching is doing a bit better this year, 4.47 ERA vs 4.60 ERA, but really nothing too substantial there.

Can the Royals Replicate their Success?

It would seem so. The Royals are on pace both to outscore and outpitch the 2006 version of the Mariners.  You take off either Elarton or Wellemeyer from our roster, and we're outpitching the Mariners this year.   We're lagging behind offensively from the 2007 version of the Mariners, but that's to be expected when you've had such drags on the lineup as Gordon, Shealy, Sweeney, Brown, etc.   We don't even necessarily need a new bat (although, again, Adam Dunn would help) to be as competitive as the Mariners are in 2007 -- we just need guys like Teahen, Butler, and Gordon to play to their potential.  

MILWAUKEE DRUNKS
2006 Record: 75-87 (.463)
2007 Record: 49-39 (.557)
Key Additions in 2007: Jeff Suppan, Ryan Braun (R), Yovani Gallardo (R)

How They Improved:

Part of the improvement came from replacing Brady Clark and Corey Koskie with Corey Hart and JJ Hardy, both of whom have exploded this year.  But the big help (literally) has been Prince Fielder, who single-handedly is going to make up for the presumed void in the lineup that appeared once Carlos Lee left.   The pitching's also gotten a whole lot more steady, although they haven't had too many personnel changes there.

Can the Royals Replicate their Success?

Hmm... do you think one of our hitters can belt out 55+ homeruns next season?

Putting that aside, let's look at the two teams.  What's not surprising, considering the AL/NL disparity, is that the 2007 Royals are on pace to outscore the 2006 Brewers.  What is surprising, however, is that we're also going to allow fewer runs.  

But this year, while our pitching is probably on par with the 2007 Brewers (4.10 ERA) once you adjust for the leagues, our offense is lagging really far behind.  This year, seven of Milwaukee's eight positional players have a legitimate shot at hitting over 20 homeruns each.  I just don't see us coming close to matching the Brewers impressive 2007 offense in 2008 unless we sign both a guy like Dunn AND a guy like Andruw Jones.  This team is a monster.

In Summary:

We may not win the pennant, but it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to see that we've got a legitimate shot at a breakout season in 2008, especially when you use Seattle as a measure of performance.  

It would appear we're only a player or two away from making it happen, and fortunately we have a general manager who seems dedicated to bringing in the guys we need to compete.  The big question will be whether our young players can play to their potential, whether we can avoid injury, and whether our pitching can remain consistent.   In other words, the same issues we face every year.  But hey, stranger things have happened.

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Dunn man crush?
Two things jump out at me from this post.  First when you said Buck is equal to Martinez I spat up some of my soda onto my computer screen laughing, then I read "this year".  Buck has been good this year but to make the assumption that he'll continue this pace next year is a bit of a reach.  I would say he'll probably regress a bit next then he'll lag behind where Martinez will probably be.  The best bet for Buck is that he continues to have a guy around to pell him so he can stay healthy and strong through the season then he'll put up some OK numbers but I don't think it will be close to what he is on pace for this year.

Secondly there's a lot of love for Dunn thrown around here, and most of it is based on the assumption that he'll play 1B.  You must have some intel that most of us don't have because I've never seen Dunn say he'd play 1B or even DH so that leaves him as a man without a home on the Royals.  I'd love to have his bat in our line-up too but I don't see where he fits with the surrent make-up of the club.  Unless Brown goes away and one of Costa, Lubanski, or Maier gets thrown into a trade leaving room for Dunn to patrol LF at the K most everyday I just don't see it happening.

by EricConley on Jul 10, 2007 12:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

guilty as charged
I don't think we'll be able (or perhaps even willing) to get Dunn on the team.  

However, I do think his is the sort of bat that is needed to bring us into respectability. It seems that most of the other pieces are in place, especially if you believe Buck's improvement is real (which is debatable).  

by marbotty on Jul 10, 2007 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buck is not Martinez's equal,
but I have to believe that Buck's power spike is for real, at least to some extent. Dunn would be welcome addition to a lot of teams; the man can hit, so who really cares where he plays as long as you don't ink him through age 38 or something crazy like that?
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 10, 2007 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Jones, though.
I don't have the love affair with Dunn. I think we have 5 guys that can strike out just as much as he does.

However, if we are going to start throwing money around in FA, we should be looking to upgrade the outfield, not 1B. Not sure what it would take to get Hunter or Jones to KC, but with Sweeney, Elarton, Brown, Sanders, etc. off the books, we could approach 20M/yr. Perhaps with CF locked up, we could trade DDJ for a COF with some power. Then rely on Shealy, Huber, Brazell, Butler to step up and fill the void at 1B/DH.

And all of this leaves out anything we might get in trade for Dotel or Perez this year. I think Dotel might return something significant. Perez, Elarton, Brown, Gruds, Sweeney, Sanders are probably all bag of balls candidates, but you never know if there might be another JDLR out there to be traded for.

by Big Guy on Jul 10, 2007 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to ruin the positiveness
But the Royals aren't exactly in the NL Central.  It can also be argued that the Mariners and Indians under-performed last year.  We still have a ways to go.

by Stook on Jul 10, 2007 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Optimism is boundless
Reality is not. I sincerely hope for such a turn around but 1) the future is too unpredictable; 2) the Royals will need to continue to rely on young talent, albeit UNPROVEN talent; 3) i am not on the Adam Dunn train.

by nycroyal on Jul 10, 2007 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Consider this
2007

Seattle: 424 runs scored, 407 allowed.
KC: 402 runs scored, 437 allowed.

Those numbers aren't that far apart -- it's the difference between playing Butler full-time (and a league avg 1B) vs. playing Shealy/Sweeney, and having Greinke start full time over Elarton (36 runs) and/or cutting Wellemeyer sooner (19 runs).    

There's bound to be a lot of variability from year to year, and as Stook pointed out, we're not in a particularly easy division.  

Still, I don't think it's a reach to think that those sort of numbers at the allstar break next season are unattainable, even without major personnel changes.  Considering our division, though, we could hit those numbers and still be well below the W/L record Seattle boasts.

I'm not so naive to think we're not outclassed currently by both Cleveland and Milwaukee -- and it would take at least one major free agent hitter (it doesn't have to be Dunn, obviously, but somebody with 35-40 hr power) to even consider coming close to matching either of their offenses.  

However, our pitching seems to be there already.  Hopefully, we'll see a similar performance from the guys in 2008.        

by marbotty on Jul 10, 2007 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best opportunity for improvement
may already be on the team. Replace Perez and Elarton/Thomson/Hudson/whomever starts with two of the following:

Greinke
Soria
Hochevar
Buckner
Nunez

That presumed improvement could end up being every bit as large as the big impact bat I pine for...

by loyal2s dad on Jul 10, 2007 12:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Predicting the Future
in baseball is extremely difficult.  We don't have anybody with a such a solid background that we can just write them in for .300/30/100 or 15-20 wins with a 3.00 ERA.  We don't have an established star in the Pujols/Clemens mold.  We are banking on the Meche that is an All-Star (and still a joke of an All-Star to anyone that doesn't bleed Royal blue) and not the Meche with an ERA in the 4.50 range.  We don't really have any idea what we are going to get out of 8 or 9 or our everyday starters (Dejesus is pretty consistent).  DeLa Rosa and Bannister are the same.  We don't even know who is going to be in the bullpen or what their roles are.  

I've watched too many Royals teams and had too many of my hopes get ripped up by the likes of Kung-Fu Fighting Quinn, Andrew Sisco, Phil Hiatt (remember him?), Bob Hamelin, Jose Rosado (All-Star game winner!), Chris George, Angel Berroa, Neiffi Perez (Yes..I actually had hopes for him), Carlos Febles, Terry Shumpert, etc.  

To end on a positive note..we could very well play way above our heads with Meche going 10-2 and De La Rosa going 8-4 and Banny going 7-3 and Gordon/Butler/Buck/Dejesus putting up All-Star type numbers.  

by Stook on Jul 10, 2007 2:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You Forgot
Teahen; if Bell will leave him in right long enough for him to get comfortable, maybe his hitting will improve after the break.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Jul 10, 2007 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

teahen
apparently is content to get his enigmatic on

by royalsreview on Jul 10, 2007 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At Least Teahen's
Enigmatic is league average; just add 20 points to the BA and better slugging to make a very valuable piece to a contender. His transition to RF has far exceeded my expectations, "sun balls" in his home park notwithstanding.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Jul 10, 2007 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The positive side of that
and the one that I am biased towards for some reason, is that Teahen's power will probably be better the further away from shoulder surgery he is and thus in the meantime he's showing that he can still take his walks and hit for a good average. A broad base of skills that Teahen's shown this year and last bodes very well for his future. I think he very well might be a breakout player in 2008.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 11, 2007 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah
I completely forgot about Teahen's surgery.  That's actually encouraging, in a way.

I share your optimism now for '08.

by marbotty on Jul 11, 2007 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Predicting the Future
I think it is very possible.  The key will be replacing Thomson/Perez with a good starter who is capable of putting up an ERA under 4.50 over a full season next year.  Not only that, but IMO Teahen would need to step it up power-wise.  Butler, Gordon, and Teahen all getting regular playing time the rest of this season should help as well.  If they were going into 2008 with no ML experience then I would have said no way to this discussion, but the fact that we're giving them regular duty right now increases the chances of this happening.

But in reality, for this to happen, Bannister would have to keep pitching this well, Meche would have to prove that he is for real, and we'd probably need a big bat at first base.  It's all about possibilities.  I think the talent should be there though and if Dotel can bring us a big first baseman or a starting pitcher in a trade that would really, really help.  I have heard that there's a lot of contenders desperate for relief pitching, though.

by teabag2007 on Jul 10, 2007 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dunn
I don't really like the Adam Dunn idea, either.  We'd be much better off offering Tori Hunter a contract to come here to KC.  Although I don't think he'd come here if he was going to leave Minnesota.

by teabag2007 on Jul 10, 2007 8:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Another possibility is that we trade DeJesus
We could trade DeJesus for a SP/1B/LF this offseason and sign a OFer, like a Eric Byrnes or a Torii Hunter and move Gathright into CF.  There's a lot of things that could happen between now and then but I really do think it is possible that we contend in 2008.

by teabag2007 on Jul 10, 2007 8:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Torii Hunter
is coming to KC right after Lou Pinella takes over here.  

i can dream, right?

The first thing I know about someone in a KC hat is that they're loyal.

by grantfunk on Jul 11, 2007 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i dont want pinellia.
he is a whiner who blames his players a ton.

by rockchalk on Jul 11, 2007 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Saw Lou's Post -Game
Interview the other day; I think he's gone around the bend. He looks like hell, too.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Jul 11, 2007 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's crazy. Es loco
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 12, 2007 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great diary
that bails me from having to do anything until Spreadsheet Baseball. :P Well done.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jul 12, 2007 9:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hm
I think Torii Hunter is going to be a bust of terrific proportions for the team lucky enough to sign him.

by BlueEyesAustin on Jul 12, 2007 11:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think the same of andruw jones
honestly, i would just as soon stay away from both hunter and jones and focus on younger players.

by rockchalk on Jul 12, 2007 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

double whammy on busts
toriiiiiiiiiiii has added a nice power dimension, but still...

by royalsreview on Jul 12, 2007 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a few things...
I am absolutley not on the bandwagon for any of those outfielders mentioned:

Dunn: ANOTHER 1B/DH type of player although he can hit home runs at times, he K's way too much for any sort of large contract

Jones:  If he was younger, I'd take a chance especially because if he bounces back then someone would be getting him at a premium, but he K's way too much also

Hunter:  Is having a huge power outburst... hmm, much like Jones had recently... Hunter is a lock to be a bust next year for the large salary that he is going to have

I'd rather focus on younger position players who can hit for average and play defense and develop the power that we do have.  (Butler, Gordon, Buck, Teahen, Brazell)  I'd take 5 guys who can hit 20-30 bombs instead of one hitting 55.

It is much too early to bank on the likes of Moustakas, although I do have high hopes.  Lastly, Pinella is out of his mind.

"Give up the good to go for the great"

by thefuture on Jul 12, 2007 11:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brazell
Made the finals of Minor League Home Run Derby.  He lost to a real estate agent, but still, that's something:

"Not offered a job for 2007, Robert Stratton settled down in Albuquerque and began working as a real estate agent. Invited back to the stadium he played in back in 2003 for the Triple-A All-Star Game Home Run Derby, Stratton decided to show the 9,677 on hand at Isotopes Park where some of his property was."

"He also showed that while he's out of the game, he's not out of juice in his bat, beating current Minor League home run leader Craig Brazell in a slugoff to win the derby crown."

Link:  http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070710&content_id=272694&vkey=news _milb&fext=.jsp

by CentralChamps2009 on Jul 13, 2007 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cool story
Stratton looks like the typical AAAA guy that never quite got the shot at the ML.  His OPS in AAA Louisville was over 1.000 two years in a row.  

I have to think he would have put up some pretty good numbers for a year or two in Cincinnatti had he gotten the call.

by marbotty on Jul 13, 2007 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Future
Speaks the truth. Especially about Piniella.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Jul 13, 2007 1:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Idea
One idea that I have not heard at all on this blog is possibly going after a young pitcher like Carlos Zambrano, who is 26.  I would rather have a young guy who is entering his prime than a over the hill former all-star.  Thoughts?

by adschofield on Jul 13, 2007 2:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The right idea,
The wrong guy.  I think Zambrano is this years Zito/Schmidt--the high priced guy who is still going to be out of the Royals' picture.  But I would expect a younger starter entering his prime to be at least as equal a target, if not more, than a power-hitting outfielder on GMDM's off-season shopping list.

by CentralChamps2009 on Jul 13, 2007 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was struggling mightily
Which might have brought his price tag down a bit and scared away some possible suitors.

However, in the last month or so, it looks like he's righted the ship a bit, so it's unlikely we'll have a shot at him.

by marbotty on Jul 13, 2007 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zambrano is the #1 SP FA
He's young, he's very good and he is going to be every large market team's #1 target.  The bidding war is going to be epic.  He may go for $20 million per season for 5 or more seasons.  Seriously.  Salary inflation is in full effect.  Teams have more revenue than they've ever had.  The Yankees will probably spend whatever it takes to get him.  They may go to 7 guaranteed years to get him.

The Royals need to use their good scouting to find guys who aren't everyone's top target, but who are actually better than many think (like Meche) and invest their money there.  I think that's what they'll do.  Therefore, I think we can forget about guys like Zambrano, A. Jones, Dunn and T. Hunter.  We have some money, but we aren't going to win a bidding war for any of those guys.  

by NYRoyal on Jul 13, 2007 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly
Isn't Sabithia a FA next year?

by BlueEyesAustin on Jul 13, 2007 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't see much of a comparison to these teams
The key to the Royals next year is better starting pitching, continued improvement by young hitters, and perhaps picking up a bat.

BTW, the Royals in the draft had to choose between Fielder and Greinke.  Opps!

by brian on Jul 14, 2007 2:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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