Well, That Was Pointless
Why?!? Thats all I want to know.
While the size and glory of humanity's achievement is still the basic question at the heart of most political, philosophical and theological aporias, our kind has been able to conquer the land, water and sky, populating all corners of the world while occasionally creating random masterworks of incredible complexity and beauty. Behind nearly all of this has been a simple yet remarkably powerful skill: combining instinct, reason and memory to notice the negative effects of things like touching hot stoves. Sure, there have been exceptions -- three centuries of search for the Northwest Passage or each time I turn on Sportscenter come to mind -- but basically, if an action always hurts or fails, eventually we learn our lesson and move on. And it turns out, you can accomplish a lot by simply not being a completely idiotic stumblebum.
Which brings us to the Royals.
Why was Scott Elarton given the ball tonight? I won't even refer back to my own ohh-so-close prediction of the score after two innings because it was so obvious as to be banal. The jokes and complaints about the events tonight actually started at least three days ago, when it became known this odd, suicidal decision had been made. Elarton came into Tuesday's game with a 9.17 ERA against big league hitters in 2007. He's been bad for the last two seasons, and he was bad last week in the minor leagues.
I'm not even being rhetorical or facetious, I legitimately would like to know how the decision was reached to send Scott Elarton into battle tonight against the Yankees. Listening to the game on the radio tonight, you could almost hear in the crowd noise -- filled with boos and derisive, ironic cheers -- a sense of being insulted, of once again being taken for granted. "Hey, we just had probably the most inspiring road trip in four years, beating two legitimate World Series level teams. We're heading home to face the Yankees, always a big event for the fans: lets make sure Elarton starts Tuesday night!"
Elarton + AL lineup = Runs and a Loss
Elarton + Yankees = More Runs and a 2-inning blitz followed by a 7-inning Snooze Fest
This was a box of chocolates on your anniversary moment, with the fans wondering, "really, thats the best you got??".
Every time we start to get excited about this team, every time we start to believe that we can actually trust management to be competent, every time we start to look forward to a game, something like Scott Elarton happens. If he's truly the best the organization's got on a given night, we need to realize just how gigantic our talent gap still is. If not, and yet he's still given the pill, then we need to stop assuming that the Bell/Moore/Glass configuration deserves our trust. Either way, I'm not sure following the Royals in 2007 is exactly a wise use of our time.
The Royals could really build something beautiful if they just learned to stop touching the hot stove.
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Cheat
by pinetarredincident on
Jul 25, 2007 6:26 AM EDT
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Didn't want another Eduardo Villacis
by cmkeller on
Jul 25, 2007 9:26 AM EDT
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totally agree
In other news, I am new to the website, and really appreciate the admins putting a product out there to talk about the Royals. Oh, and I have a good feeling about tonight.
by Kevbo on
Jul 25, 2007 9:40 AM EDT
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this reminds me...
Valet: Mr. Vaughn, I thought you were starting tonight.
Rick Vaughn: I did.
Valet: Oh, sorry. I didn't tune in until the 2nd inning.
I wonder if that happened to Scotty...
by Kevbo on
Jul 25, 2007 9:51 AM EDT
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I was hoping that the reason that...
by NHZ on
Jul 25, 2007 10:14 AM EDT
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Who else?
Elarton is not our "best option on a given night". Meche is, then Bannister, then JDLR, then Perez. None of them were available, unless you want to start pitching them on 4 days rest. That's the nature of baseball; sometimes your worst option is pitching against their best; that's why good teams still lose 40 percent of the time.
As for Elarton, he's done. They should release him and make sure they have someone else ready to make the start 5 days from now. They can no longer expect that his injuries will heal, his fast ball will develop some life or that he will "grit it out". This time was marginally excusable, but next time there should be a full scale walkout/picket.
by Big Guy on
Jul 25, 2007 10:26 AM EDT
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Simply Solution
by Stook on
Jul 25, 2007 10:46 AM EDT
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Um
by BlueEyesAustin on
Jul 25, 2007 1:53 PM EDT
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Had the Royals sent out Nunez to start
by RTC Fan on
Jul 25, 2007 10:36 AM EDT
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What a waste
by sprntern8 on
Jul 25, 2007 10:53 AM EDT
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Overreaction
Because they have let Elarton start a handful of games? Obviously, he shouldn't be in the rotation or even on the roster. Obviously having him there is a mistake. But because of that, you don't know if following the Royals this year is a wise use of our time? Have you not seen a big improvement in this team? I have. Much better pitching, much better record. Elarton alone won't sink this franchise. And he's not exactly a part of this team's future. Let us not take one mistake on the part of the organization and blow it out of proportion.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 25, 2007 10:56 AM EDT
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Why not give Zack or Jimmy a spot start?
by RTC Fan on
Jul 25, 2007 11:02 AM EDT
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I was more disappointed...
by PhattStairs on
Jul 25, 2007 11:02 AM EDT
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questionable roster moves
We've got the Musser Omaha-KC shuttle going on, a call-up of Ryan "Not the good one" Braun, followed by the quick demotion of Braun in favor of Elarton. I don't get it. It seems like it would have made a whole lot more sense to just keep Nunez up.
by cookierojas73 on
Jul 25, 2007 11:16 AM EDT
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I agree.
A. Wanted to get Nunez more "seasoning" (which I would disagree with -- I think he's ready now)
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B. Wanted to make sure Nunez's innings pitched on the season were restricted
I can see the value in option B. If he's on the parent club as a starter, he would be expected to stay in games as long as he could to prevent wear on the bullpen. If he's down in AAA, they have a little bit more flexibility with that sort of thing.
Considering Nunez only pitched around 60 innings in 2006, it seems wise to put a cap on his innings pitched in 2007 to prevent injury or overuse.
by marbotty on
Jul 25, 2007 11:39 AM EDT
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Protecting prospects
But that doesn't mean Elarton was the right man to start that game. While I didn't want real prospects rushed, it wouldn't have hurt anything to have Wright or Hendrickson or some other AAA schlub make the start. So having Elarton start was clearly a mistake, but not because they didn't start Nunez or Buckner.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 25, 2007 11:43 AM EDT
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Nunez as a legit prospect
by nkkc on
Jul 25, 2007 3:37 PM EDT
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I can't agree with that
As far as him potentially getting ruined by being shelled, that has happened to many prospects, including Royals prospects in the past few years.
Why do you write him off? He's got good stuff, pretty good control and he's now performing well in the minors. What more do you want from a pitching prospect?
by NYRoyal on
Jul 25, 2007 3:40 PM EDT
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I agree with MSUROYALS below
Besides, say he starts last night, and does the exact same thing as Elarton. If that is all it would take to derail his professional career, then he doesn't have the mental make-up to be a major leaguer anyhow. Or, if he never succeeds in the majors after that, perhaps he never had the stuff to make it to begin with.
All that said, I'm not saying that Nunez is crap. I think he should have started last night. I just don't think he has a huge future with the Royals, which would make protecting him irrelevant. He's not exactly an irreplaceable talent.
by nkkc on
Jul 25, 2007 4:15 PM EDT
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I don't think that reasoning makes sense
he was going to be dealt off of this team just a few weeks back
He was going to be traded for a talented Milton Bradley. Good pitching prospects get traded for established major league talent. That doesn't mean they aren't good pitching prospects.
In his few appearances on the big leagues, he hasn't shown me a ton
You have to take those appearances with a grain of salt. He was very, very young and inexperienced and by all accounts he was super-rushed. He wasn't major league ready. He still should have been in A-ball or AA at that time.
He had a nice little start in Boston, but there was a reason he pulled in the 4th (or start of 5th, don't remember).
He pitched 4 complete and started the 5th. And yes, there are reasons why he was pulled. They are (in no particular order):
- He's a young kid with little major league experience who was facing a great offense and was about to go through their lineup for the third time. In short, the Royals were wisely bringing him along slowly.
- He was injured for more than the first half of the season, so the Royals are keeping his pitch count down.
- Since he started pitching again about a month ago, he hasn't been stretched out for any particularly long outings or really high pitch counts.
But he hasn't displayed anything that makes me think he is someone worth protecting, and some sort of future star.
I don't think he'll be a future star. But I think it is likely that he will at least be a good major league reliever, with some starter potential. And his minor league performance this year on top of his stuff and control tell me that. (as well as the opinion of a number of scouts...including Oakland A's scouts who clearly liked him a lot).
Besides, say he starts last night, and does the exact same thing as Elarton. If that is all it would take to derail his professional career, then he doesn't have the mental make-up to be a major leaguer anyhow. Or, if he never succeeds in the majors after that, perhaps he never had the stuff to make it to begin with.
So, if the Royals screw him up by rushing him, then it is his fault. That doesn't make any sense. Pitcher can get rushed up to the majors, relied on too much, hung out to dry and it commonly screws them up. That's a good way to ruin a prospect. Thank god Moore was smart enough not to do that here.
However, I wish Moore would have DFA'd Elarton and started Wright or pretty much anyone else.
by NYRoyal on
Jul 25, 2007 4:27 PM EDT
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Ok fine, we had no other option
by PhantomRoyals on
Jul 25, 2007 11:38 AM EDT
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Or Maybe...
grr...
by Kevbo on
Jul 25, 2007 11:45 AM EDT
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Jose Canseco
Look, we used up Bale and Peralta and have to be careful with Greinke and Riske. That means we still have Soria and Dotel at full strength for tonight, when we expect Meche to go 6-7. Greinke and Riske should be ready for the JDLR game on Thursday.
Baseball is a grind. You can't sacrifice a weeks worth of games for one outcome. Elarton is now cleraly out as an option, so they'll be ready with another option next time around. But they had to give him one more shot, I guess.
by Big Guy on
Jul 25, 2007 12:27 PM EDT
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I would've rather had
by royaldaddy on
Jul 25, 2007 2:07 PM EDT
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Good points ...and I hope this is the
by grudz69 on
Jul 25, 2007 12:24 PM EDT
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umm...
by Kevbo on
Jul 25, 2007 12:35 PM EDT
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Boom Boom could pitch and DH. There's
by RTC Fan on
Jul 25, 2007 12:45 PM EDT
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Pitchers from hell
by MSUROYALS on
Jul 25, 2007 12:59 PM EDT
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Nunez?
by MSUROYALS on
Jul 25, 2007 1:03 PM EDT
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Im really pissed
I love the Royals, but sometimes they really suck.
by onix on
Jul 25, 2007 1:52 PM EDT
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I'm Going To Kill
by philofthenorth on
Jul 25, 2007 2:28 PM EDT
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Why doesn't David Glass do something right...
by Philip Fitzsimmons on
Jul 25, 2007 2:29 PM EDT
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I thought the Royals were gonna sweep NY...
1.Have the entire Royals team demoted,and work for WAL*MART without pay until they know how to beat the Yankees
2.Have Dayton Moore make a deal with President Bush by trading the entire Royals pitching staff for a dozen severely wounded U.S. Soldiers in Iraq-that will be a good game for the Taliban of Baseball,the Yankees.
3.Let's all send a threatening letter to Steinbrenner that the Yankees that they should be banned from baseball for their high payroll
4.Have Lindsay Lohan,Britney Spears and Paris Hilton pitch for the Royals next time the Yankees play!
by Philip Fitzsimmons on
Jul 25, 2007 2:36 PM EDT
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Bipolar much?
You set unreasonable expectations (a sweep) and now you are disappointed. No one to blame but yourself.
by Big Guy on
Jul 25, 2007 3:28 PM EDT
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I think the Royals are bipolar when they play
by Philip Fitzsimmons on
Jul 25, 2007 8:33 PM EDT
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I was at the game too
I understand that the number of options was limited, and that even good teams start mediocore/bad pitchers in the 5th spot. But, if a prospect was brought up to spot start and got shelled, the part of the crowd that was cursing THE DECISION to start Elarton would have had little to complain about.
by along came a royal on
Jul 25, 2007 3:15 PM EDT
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Yes. What hurts about this is that
by RTC Fan on
Jul 25, 2007 3:24 PM EDT
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Could We Get
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Grudzielanek-could-fill-hole-for-Mets?urn=mlb,40365
"Kansas City Royals veteran Mark Grudzielanek is believed to be on a short list of second basemen eyed by the New York Mets as a possible replacement for injured Jose Valentin."
by philofthenorth on
Jul 25, 2007 3:23 PM EDT
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LOL. Here's a trade for you....
by RTC Fan on
Jul 25, 2007 3:26 PM EDT
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Human nature
Management obviously knows Elarton isn't part of the future, and they know that he sucks this year as well as we do. What they know but refuse to face is that Elarton is a sunk cost. Elarton's contract was a mistake, and KC's brass just can't face that yet. They want to squeeze out any inkling of hope out of a well that's already dry, so they illogically gave Elarton a spot start to either prove that he has worth left as trade bait. Hopefully after last night they realize that Scotty has no value left.
by nycroyal on
Jul 25, 2007 3:27 PM EDT
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Scotty has value
He could also stick around as a backup pitching coach in charge of teaching "grit" and "battling".
by Big Guy on
Jul 25, 2007 3:47 PM EDT
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from the kc star;
"I don't know yet," manager Buddy Bell said. "I haven't had time to think about anything yet."
by teahen24 on
Jul 25, 2007 4:29 PM EDT
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It's the Rangers next, not the Twins
by RTC Fan on
Jul 25, 2007 5:12 PM EDT
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There were two words that don't go
by grudz69 on
Jul 25, 2007 6:31 PM EDT
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Maybe GMDM Is Having
by philofthenorth on
Jul 25, 2007 4:51 PM EDT
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He'd replace Wellemeyer as
by RTC Fan on
Jul 25, 2007 5:13 PM EDT
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we'll all feel great once tonight's game starts
by DyeFan187 on
Jul 25, 2007 5:13 PM EDT
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I'm nervous about this
Not to plant a bad seed, but how bad will it look if he comes out and throws a stinker? Could be a long next week or so.
by Big Guy on
Jul 25, 2007 5:43 PM EDT
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Again...
Here's how that conversation would go:
Scott: "SO what do you like, medium speed, down the middle, what?"
Justin: "No, you just throw what you normally throw, and don't be afraid to mix in a curve or two."
Scott: "Wait a second, you want me to TRY AND GET YOU OUT?"
Justin (laughing): "Well...if that's what you brokin downers are calling it these days then..yeah..TRY TO GET ME OUT! You're hilarious Scotty."
Scott: "What! Buddy says I'm doing just fine! And hey, I've been working on this new one that I was saving for the Yankees. It's -bust you inside with 76 mph. straight ball, then break you off with a 75 mph. curve that catches WAY too much of the plate."
Justin: "Yeah! Throw me that one! I might win one of these things yet."
by Matty486 on
Jul 25, 2007 5:26 PM EDT
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nice
by Killer G's on
Jul 25, 2007 5:57 PM EDT
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Nunez couldn't be brought up
Sorry that this post is a little late in the discussion. Had to actually work today. ;-)
by kctwindad on
Jul 25, 2007 5:51 PM EDT
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At the game
by pinetarredincident on
Jul 25, 2007 7:57 PM EDT
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I was there too
if you boo bell you're booing the whole team. and fireworks.
weak.
by grantfunk on
Jul 25, 2007 10:05 PM EDT
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I actually booed when they announced
by royaldaddy on
Jul 25, 2007 11:46 PM EDT
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Boy, did those casual fans get that right.
by grudz69 on
Jul 26, 2007 2:23 PM EDT
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