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Game 106 Open Thread- Royals (47-58) at Twins (54-51)

At long last, the trade deadline has come and gone, and once again, both in a general and a Royals-specific sense, its hard not to feel a little disappointed. While numerous legitimate reasons -- few cash-strapped teams, "smarter" post-Moneyball GMs, for example -- were cited as causes behind a mostly bland deadline I think theres also a more sinister one: an incredibly pervasive conservatism and risk-aversion throughout the game. Tabling for a moment the specifics of the  future prospect versus current star quandary (i.e. the Smoltz-Alexander trade) its never good when an entire industry thinks the same way about everything, in this case: player development, pitching staff management, in-game strategy, lineup construction, etc etc. The difference between the most "radical" and "old-school" GMs is about 5%. The fluctuations between coaches/managers is even smaller.

Take a look at the National League standings for a moment and explain to me how only basically one team, the Braves, went for it? Now perhaps the extreme parity actually discourages doing anything risky, because everyone is already "close" to glory with the trashy rosters they've already got. Nevertheless, according to published reports at least, the last week or so has been the same battle being played out over and over again: everyone wants a top prospect and everyone is unwilling to trade their top prospects.

You have to feel that prospects have become overvalued, and that some team could have scored a huge advantage by actually putting their version of Luke Hochevar on the table.

Of course, this is a bigger problem plaguing the game. To take one example, the Nationals, Rangers and Devil Rays alone will play, at minimum, something like 350 completely meaningless games this season. Yet none of those games will involve a four-man rotation, tandem starters, a bullpen by committee, using your best reliever in the biggest spot in the game, etc. Not even for a single-game will an all-lefty lineup be featured or will a funky defensive configuration be attempted. Aside from the Moneyball strawman, when was the last time a new idea infiltrated the game? The passing of Bill Walsh this week poignantly illustrated that baseball hasn't had a Bill Walsh since...

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Regarding the Dotel-Davies trade, theres little left unsaid after a very intense day here at RR. The best starting points are today's Trade Deadline Open Thread and its 200+ comments, 90% of which are D-D related, and RoyalRetro's intro piece on Davies. The discussion continues in multiple rock-solid diaries.  Without further ado, here's the official Royals Review Response:

Positive

- Davies is 23, he can get better.
- Davies has, reportedly, three good pitches.
- Davies will be cheap Royal chattel until 2011.
- Presumably Dayton Moore knows more about Davies than three-weeks of scouting.
- Fresh off some rough years, Davies may benefit from a kick in the pants/change of scenery.
- Davies is a ball-thrower, and since ball-throwers are overvalued by the market, ball-throwers are always good for later trading chips.

Negative

- When was the last time an Atlanta farmhand panned out somewhere else?
- Davies has had, broadly speaking, a few rough patches, both on the mound and in terms of coachability.
- The Braves felt that five more seasons of Kyle Davies equated out to about the same value as 25-30 innings from Octavio Dotel. Dotel is coming off a major-injury and peaked during the second season of Gilmore Girls.

Meta Considerations

- Octavio Dotel is a mythical closer, and the Braves believe in closer power. Meaning Dotel, and hence Davies, is more valuable. - The Braves look to be in the 85-87 win range, the exact point on the competition arch at which "win-now" moves are the most valuable. - While we don't precisely know what other options Mr. Moore had, its safe to say his choice was likely a similar level player, or doing nothing. DOing nothing, by the way, was an option many teams ultimately choose. Certainly, we didn't want that.
-On the other hand, compared to the Gagne and Linebrink deals, the Royals seem to have gotten much less in return. In a different scenario could Dotel have commanded more?

So in sum, we got a guy. This guy can be around for awhile if we want him to be. Being neither a scout, nor female, I'm not solid on evaluating the physical and mental development of 23 year old dudes. So until further notice, welcome to the family Hiram! Kyle is a child's name, and we aren't in Georgia anymore.

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by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 7:59 PM EDT   0 recs

RR can you delete my post on diaries...
Tonights lineup...

Kansas City AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
DeJesus, CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .281
Grudzielanek, 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .305
Teahen, RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .283
Brown, DH 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .232
Gload, LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .288
Gordon, 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .243
Smith, 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .206
Pena, SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .284
LaRue, C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .158

Another Buddo barnstorming miracle lineup....

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:01 PM EDT   0 recs

and ready to roll!
lets take it to the twins! I haven't tasted royals baseball in almost a week!

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2007 8:04 PM EDT   0 recs

Tonights lineup features 4 slammers with
averages below .250.   I hope we see the good Jorge tonight.  

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:05 PM EDT   0 recs

I was watching the video on Davies
over at mlb.com, on his player page. He kissed 96 mph with his FB, had a 1.5 ft 12-6 curve, and that straight change clocked in the low-mid 80s. Looked pretty good.
-- Royals Delegate to the land of the Salmon and Moose (Seattle)

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 8:05 PM EDT   0 recs

4th!
as I wrote in Grudz' diary, not much to inspire offensive awe, but we have been surprised before.
"my glass is half full"

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2007 8:07 PM EDT   0 recs

8th!
I am positively exhausted by the trade deadline... I need a rusty nail

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2007 8:08 PM EDT   0 recs

last night was all pop-ups
tonight could be all groundouts with a sinkerballer going

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2007 8:11 PM EDT   0 recs

9th?
not a good start so far, DDJ K'd.

regardless of what happens today, we have already made our team better in 2008 and beyond (with a slight chance of this year) so im not too worried about tonight.

that said, good jdlr better show up as he is now competing for a starting job for next year.

by rockchalk on Jul 31, 2007 8:13 PM EDT   0 recs

good to see
a Twin get bit by that travesty they call a ballpark

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2007 8:14 PM EDT   0 recs

Go T.....

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:14 PM EDT   0 recs

"downtown Minnesota"
I miss Denny and Ryan....

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:15 PM EDT   0 recs

"downtown Minnesota"
I miss Denny and Ryan....

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:16 PM EDT   0 recs

time to break out
crap, what was that?

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2007 8:16 PM EDT   0 recs

the fact that i still have to watch Emil Brown
makes me sick
What hath Bell wrought?

by FireBell on Jul 31, 2007 8:16 PM EDT   0 recs

when do we get the dynamic duo
back on the airwaves?  These guys are driving me crazy.

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2007 8:17 PM EDT   0 recs

its gotta be soon
What hath Bell wrought?

by FireBell on Jul 31, 2007 8:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

crap...that was shit....
Okay, Jorge it is all yours.

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:17 PM EDT   0 recs

grittiness
I can sense it coming over the airwaves

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2007 8:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Yes, first pitch strike.....
Go Jorge, Go jorge......

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:20 PM EDT   0 recs

Can't we get that little bug Tyner out?
Come on, the guy is a junior varsity version of Gathright.

by nycroyal on Jul 31, 2007 8:20 PM EDT   0 recs

Come Jorge.... lets not give them an
early lead.   Can he throw a strike?  

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:22 PM EDT   0 recs

bad feeling about tonight.
jdlr doesnt have his good stuff (i.e. has no control at all) and our offense doesnt look too promising either.

oh well, you cant win all of them. as long as we split the series against minny i will be fine...

by rockchalk on Jul 31, 2007 8:22 PM EDT   0 recs

hey now
lets not give up on this before the first inning.

They are starting Carlos Silva.....

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2007 8:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

JDLR
is he the type of pitcher (like Meche) who can recover from a shaky start, or will it be like the Hindengerg, crashing and burning?  Oh, the humanity!!!!!!!!

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2007 8:24 PM EDT   0 recs

Way to go T... good catch...
careful here Jorge....

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:24 PM EDT   0 recs

great quote
by Hudson.  Something like "I wish he was still in our rotation, because that would mean he was still with us"  -  man, that's deep

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2007 8:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

one more, Jorgy....
Smith playing 1B....way to go Buddy....

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:25 PM EDT   0 recs

What the??????????????
why didn't he go for the double play?

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2007 8:25 PM EDT   0 recs

Is Metrodome
a good place to put Gload in the OF for a night?  He looked lost tracking that ball, hope this doesn't explode on Buddy
71.442

by ScratchBC on Jul 31, 2007 8:28 PM EDT   0 recs

Gload in the OF and Smith at 1B
Buddy has no shame...

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Vlademil
Man, how I wish this guy had been traded/released.  Worst move of 2007 was awarding this clown 3.45 mil in arbitration.

by nycroyal on Jul 31, 2007 8:29 PM EDT   0 recs

whiffy ground ball to the SS,
by our Brownie...

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:30 PM EDT   0 recs

easy fly ball to center....
oh ya this is a power lineup....

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:31 PM EDT   0 recs

I find
as I get older, I get a little more "whiffy"

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2007 8:31 PM EDT   0 recs

another whiffy inning for the Blue....
What were you thinking Buddo?

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:32 PM EDT   0 recs

why hasn't Reggie played?
I might have suggested him in left, gload at first.

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2007 8:33 PM EDT   0 recs

oops
that wasn't good.

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2007 8:34 PM EDT   0 recs

Torii Hunter
Hate that guy

by nycroyal on Jul 31, 2007 8:35 PM EDT   0 recs

torriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
What hath Bell wrought?

by FireBell on Jul 31, 2007 8:36 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

damn
well at least its just one run.

by wildthang on Jul 31, 2007 8:35 PM EDT   0 recs

1-0 twins
c'mon rosey

stay calm

What hath Bell wrought?

by FireBell on Jul 31, 2007 8:36 PM EDT   0 recs

Did Anyone Else
See that one coming?
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Jul 31, 2007 8:37 PM EDT   0 recs

redmon looks like a smug SOB
What hath Bell wrought?

by FireBell on Jul 31, 2007 8:37 PM EDT   0 recs

Hunter has 23 homeruns... that would lead
the Royals....

Come on Jorge get your shit together....

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:37 PM EDT   0 recs

gritzy with a bad throw
and an even worse attempt at picking up a freaking baseball by jason smith.

can i audition for the royals? i know how to pick up a baseball, promise.

by rockchalk on Jul 31, 2007 8:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Hmmmmm....
Is that Jason playing first?
-- Royals Delegate to the land of the Salmon and Moose (Seattle)

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 8:39 PM EDT   0 recs

tell me again
why LaRue is thought to be such a great catcher by Buddisimo?

by buddyball on Jul 31, 2007 8:39 PM EDT   0 recs

whiffie lapoo
sucks.

his last little bit of hope was his defense, but just to flat out drop a freaking baseball THEN get stolen on crosses the line.

jdlr isnt pitching TOO bad, but his defense is playing like crap behind him.

by rockchalk on Jul 31, 2007 8:40 PM EDT   0 recs

LaRue....
That sucked... probably beyond his control though.
-- Royals Delegate to the land of the Salmon and Moose (Seattle)

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 8:40 PM EDT   0 recs

So LaRue
plays good defense...really???

by lordbyronk on Jul 31, 2007 8:40 PM EDT   0 recs

That is shit....
First Smith can't handle a throw and Lala can't even tag a guy out at home.  What are we doing?  Way to go Lala.... they are going to run on you all night.

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:40 PM EDT   0 recs

great play by tpj
and if whiffie lapoo catches the ball, it is an out. it would have been a tough play but...

by rockchalk on Jul 31, 2007 8:41 PM EDT   0 recs

WHAT THE HELL
I didn't even notice the bizarre 1B decision by Bell

by royalsreview on Jul 31, 2007 8:41 PM EDT   0 recs

I am going to scream
If LaRue is not on waivers tonight. I hate that guy.
-- Royals Delegate to the land of the Salmon and Moose (Seattle)

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 8:41 PM EDT   0 recs

Walking papers
for one Mr. LaRue.  It's in the mail (please god!), better be.

by lordbyronk on Jul 31, 2007 8:41 PM EDT   0 recs

Another bungle by Lala.... yes, Buddo ...
he really deserves to be on our team....

by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:41 PM EDT   0 recs