Programming Note
Wednesday afternoon, around 4:30, I'll be a guest on "The Closers" on KFRU AM in Columbia, talkin' Royals. The station has a listen live feature, if you live outside the area. A wonderful opportunity to hear how horrible my voice sounds. Call your friends!
Links
- Joe McEwing for Hall of Fame!
- Gary Thurman featured on a blog dedicated to the 1988 Topps set. Lots of memories looking at these, since I got a complete set of '88 Topps for Christmas that year.
- USS Mariner simmed the AL West 100 times and ... the A's won the division the most?
- Lastly, has anyone seen the multiple Range Rover ads featuring the Flaming Lips song "Do You Realize"? I was stunned the first time I saw them. Why? Google the lyrics to that song.
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make us all proud
by buddyball on Feb 12, 2008 10:43 PM EST 0 recs
flaming lips
by kcdc on Feb 12, 2008 11:58 PM EST 0 recs
very interesting
by Dani Woodward on
Feb 13, 2008 2:30 PM EST
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thanks for that link
maybe the Flaming Lips/RR does too, but not quite as directly
by royalsreview on
Feb 13, 2008 2:54 PM EST
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Well,
Did you realize that everyone you know will die?
I'm still kicking myself for missing them when they were in KC.
by Bornin85 on
Feb 13, 2008 10:06 AM EST
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are the Mariners your #2 team?
Have to say I see more references to USS Mariner and Lookout Landing here than that team would perhaps warrant unless you have some sort of allegiance to the squad.
by marbotty on Feb 13, 2008 6:59 AM EST 0 recs
no, not really
by royalsreview on
Feb 13, 2008 12:38 PM EST
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The Mariner blogs
by NHZ on
Feb 13, 2008 1:51 PM EST
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Car commercials
by RoyalsRetro on Feb 13, 2008 10:20 AM EST 0 recs
Steroids hearings
by RoyalsRetro on Feb 13, 2008 11:06 AM EST 0 recs
I still don't get what the point of this is
by RoyalsRetro on
Feb 13, 2008 1:52 PM EST
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countdown to my radio appearance
by royalsreview on Feb 13, 2008 2:55 PM EST 0 recs
Open thread?
by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on Feb 13, 2008 5:37 PM EST 0 recs
I'm Listening
by philofthenorth on Feb 13, 2008 5:40 PM EST 0 recs
Will's radio appearance
by NYRoyal on Feb 13, 2008 5:41 PM EST 0 recs
I'm from NEW FRANKLIN!!!
by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on Feb 13, 2008 5:42 PM EST 0 recs
HERE WE GO...
Is Will on his way?
by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on Feb 13, 2008 5:42 PM EST 0 recs
Niiiiiice
by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on Feb 13, 2008 5:43 PM EST 0 recs
After you get to 4th place...
by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on Feb 13, 2008 5:44 PM EST 0 recs
Will doesn't share the Royals pitching optimism?
by NYRoyal on Feb 13, 2008 5:46 PM EST 0 recs
Guillen = Reggie Sanders
by NYRoyal on Feb 13, 2008 5:47 PM EST 0 recs
Well...
by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on Feb 13, 2008 5:48 PM EST 0 recs
contridictory my man...
by doublestix on
Feb 13, 2008 5:51 PM EST
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What's Wrong With
by philofthenorth on Feb 13, 2008 5:51 PM EST 0 recs
i felt like i was talking very fast
by royalsreview on
Feb 13, 2008 5:53 PM EST
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Almost completely negative
- Pitching will be worse
- Guillen is just Reggie Sanders all over again
- Hillman's strategy will hurt the team
- Royals have a chronic lack of power
- 80 to 82 wins
Also, one of the radio hosts appropriately pointed out, how do you make all of those analyses about the team and then say they are going to win 80 to 82 games? The analysis he gave would not logically lead to the conclusion that this team will score more runs than it allows.
by NYRoyal on Feb 13, 2008 5:56 PM EST 0 recs
Pitching worse?
by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on
Feb 13, 2008 5:58 PM EST
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What he said
- I really don't see the optimism about the pitching staff
- Meche will be worse
- Bannister will be worse
- Tomko doesn't improve anything
- I don't see how this pitching staff is any better in 2008
by NYRoyal on
Feb 13, 2008 6:02 PM EST
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yea
I did say you could imagine the lineup getting better.
by royalsreview on
Feb 13, 2008 5:59 PM EST
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And
by NYRoyal on
Feb 13, 2008 6:03 PM EST
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Seal Imagines Himself
by philofthenorth on
Feb 13, 2008 6:06 PM EST
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Conceptualize this
by NYRoyal on
Feb 13, 2008 6:12 PM EST
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so will their kids take Seal's last name
by FireBell on
Feb 13, 2008 6:16 PM EST
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Perhaps
by NYRoyal on
Feb 13, 2008 6:19 PM EST
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I Can't Sing
by philofthenorth on
Feb 13, 2008 11:28 PM EST
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The only way to find out is to ask
by NYRoyal on
Feb 13, 2008 11:32 PM EST
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Not quite Debbie Downer
by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on Feb 13, 2008 5:56 PM EST 0 recs
Was that
by NYRoyal on
Feb 13, 2008 6:00 PM EST
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I can't say
by NYRoyal on Feb 13, 2008 6:06 PM EST 0 recs
and my weird fascination w/ the White Sox came out
by royalsreview on
Feb 13, 2008 6:08 PM EST
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I'm glad
by NYRoyal on
Feb 13, 2008 6:14 PM EST
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so apparently RR was negative
by FireBell on Feb 13, 2008 6:17 PM EST 0 recs
i did give love to Greinke though
by royalsreview on Feb 13, 2008 6:18 PM EST 0 recs
There were brief flashes
(I'm exercise my imagery and metaphore/simile skills)
;)
by NYRoyal on
Feb 13, 2008 6:21 PM EST
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^exercising
by NYRoyal on
Feb 13, 2008 6:22 PM EST
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Just Let
by philofthenorth on
Feb 13, 2008 11:32 PM EST
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Sometimes my mind is a cyberdump
by NYRoyal on
Feb 13, 2008 11:33 PM EST
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That May Be
by philofthenorth on
Feb 13, 2008 11:42 PM EST
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Sorry I missed the show.
by James Quinn on Feb 13, 2008 6:29 PM EST 0 recs
likewise
by marbotty on
Feb 14, 2008 12:20 AM EST
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Don't get too down, Will
Player: ZIPS/PECOTA
Meche: 4.55/4.55
Greinke: 4.76/4.27
Bannister: 4.84/5.19
Tomko: 4.34 (as Padre)/ 5.20
[Projections for the 5th starter candidates are too ugly to post]
Personally, I think Meche, Greinke, and Bannister each beat these projections (and Greinke by a lot), and projection systems obviously deal in probabilities, not certainties, but there is a legitimate argument based on objective analyses (which consider more than just last year's performances) that the pitching staff as a whole will perform worse in 2008 than 2007.
by Gopherballs on Feb 13, 2008 8:06 PM EST 0 recs
Do you think
And do you think that one can at the same time argue that the pitching next year will be worse and that we'll win 80 to 82 games next year?
By the way, how many games do you think the Royals will win next year?
[G, in all honesty, your knowledge of advanced stats and metrics is impressive and the analysis you do with them is very good. Sometimes I agree with it and sometimes I don't. But it seems like your comments are long on "it can be argued that" or "it would be reasonable to say that" and short on actual predictions or otherwise going out on a limb.]
by NYRoyal on
Feb 13, 2008 8:58 PM EST
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my thinking is that the pitching will be
last year the strength of the staff was the bully:
we've added mahay, but lost riske
i don't think Gobble will be as good (3.02 ERA) or Soria (2.48)
by royalsreview on
Feb 13, 2008 10:09 PM EST
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one more thing to chew on
the ERA of the 'pen was 3.85, 6th in the AL
by royalsreview on
Feb 13, 2008 10:12 PM EST
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Pitching improvements in 2008 over 2007
- Greinke's increased innings (Greinke >>> O. Perez)
- Back end of the rotation
I would suggest anyone wanting to see what effect improvements in some pitchers and regression in others will have on the overall ERA (or other measure) of the 2008 Royals actually crunch the numbers with their indvidual predictions including innings pitched, weight them appropriately and see what kind of stats kick out. Before I crunched the numbers with my predictions, I thought the pitching staff wouldn't improve overall. But after I crunched, the numbers, I see clear overall improvement.
by NYRoyal on
Feb 13, 2008 11:00 PM EST
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The bullpen will be improved slightly
I agree with your prediction about the offense. The repressed optimist in me might say 70ish runs better.
by DarthYoshi on
Feb 13, 2008 10:15 PM EST
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That translates to
by NYRoyal on
Feb 13, 2008 10:42 PM EST
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I Have No Problem
by philofthenorth on
Feb 13, 2008 11:38 PM EST
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Don't really care about actual predictions
As for going out on a limb, this is not sports talk radio. I do not see the point in arguing something that I really do not believe just to stir things up and debate for the hell of it. In any event, I have certainly been in the minority on many offseason issues, especially on everything Guillen (his poor defense, his underrated offense, his contract), Bannister, and DeJesus.
On how the team will perform overall, I have not run any numbers (and I usually don't -- again, not my thing), but just by eyeballing the roster, I am probably pretty close to Will. I think the offense improves primarily due to the Guillen, improvement from Gordon and Butler, and a rebound from DeJesus, but with out machines currently occupying three lineup spots (Pena, Buck/Olivo, and Shealy/Gload), the improvement is more in the range of 35-45 runs. If Hillman minimizes those players' plate appearances, the number should go up.
I also think the defense will be good, but a step down from last year with Guillen playing everyday (he really needs to DH when Greinke starts), Grudz aging, Butler likely playing more 1B, and Pena likely losing playing time to Callaspo (or a SS to be acquired).
While the relatively worse defense should negatively affect the pitchers' performances, whether the staff ultimately improves or not frankly depends on how Hillman picks and uses the staff. In comparison to his 2007 numbers, Greinke is hurt by swapping out the relief innings for starter innings (his strikeout rate should go down and his HR rate should go up, as he loses 2-3 MPH off his fastball as a starter). And considering his young age and the reduced number of innings the last two years (120 IP and 112 IP), Hillman might limit him to 160-180 IP (183 IP is his career high). But I think his natural development makes him improve overall, even though his FIP might slide into the higher 3.00s. I think Meche's walk rate should slip by 0.5 and his problem of throwing too many pitches did not go away (4.0 P/PA), but he keeps the strikeouts and groundballs and still posts a FIP in the low 4.00s. Bannister and his extremely low BABIP regress to a FIP near 4.50, and Tomko pitches somewhere around 4.75-5.00. Of the fifth starter candidates, I think Bale or Nunez could stay under 5.00 until Hochevar is ready, but the rest are strictly replacement level and no real improvement over last year. As for the bullpen, Greinke and Riske to Mahay and Yabuta is a downgrade (although Yabuta is a question mark), but Tsao could make a large impact if healthy, so it should be strong even if not quite as good as last year. Overall, I would expect a marginal improvement of 5-10 runs, but if de la Rosa, Davies, and the other replacement level starters get 30+ starts, the runs allowed will go up.
So if you need a number to play with, I'll go with 77-79 wins.
by Gopherballs on
Feb 14, 2008 4:09 PM EST
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Going out on a limb
As for going out on a limb, this is not sports talk radio. I do not see the point in arguing something that I really do not believe just to stir things up and debate for the hell of it.
What does making predictions have to do with "arguing something that I really do not believe"? As well as critiquing the comments/observations/predictions of others, you could also provide affirmative statements of belief/opinion/predictions of your own and then defend them or not. No one is saying that you should argue something that you reall do not believe. I don't think anyone does that. Certainly not here.
So if you need a number to play with, I'll go with 77-79 wins.
So basically a minimal overall improvement. I disagree. We'll see what happens. See, isn't it nice to actually go out on a limb and state a concrete prediction?
by NYRoyal on
Feb 14, 2008 4:26 PM EST
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In what alternative baseball universe
If you are really interested, you can go back and read my comments on my expectations for Greinke, Meche, Bannister, Tomko, Guillen, Teahen, TPJ, etc.
As for being critical, if I read something with which I generally agree (like your comments the other day on ranking the order of what is more important to a pitcher), I tend not to add "ditto" comments, as they really do not add anything to the conversation.
And, no, predictions for the sake of predictions are still a waste of time.
by Gopherballs on
Feb 14, 2008 5:03 PM EST
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Win prediction baseline
is adding 8 to 10 wins considered only "minimal improvement overall"?
The baseline for any win total prediction should be the prior year's Pythagorean win total, which was 74. So, 77 to 79 wins would be 3-5. Yes, that is minimal. Quite frankly, since you were talking about how many more runs the royals would score and how many fewer runs the Royals would allow, I assumed you were looking at they're Pythagorean win expectancy. I think one should be.
As for being critical, if I read something with which I generally agree (like your comments the other day on ranking the order of what is more important to a pitcher), I tend not to add "ditto" comments, as they really do not add anything to the conversation.
I have no problem with being critical. I am frequently critical. And, like you, I comment more where I have disagreement than where I agree. But what I said above was that it is nice to put something out there in the way of one's own opinions about how good or bad a player is and how well he'll do (going out on a limb) as opposed to merely intellectual deconstruction. I'm all for the latter, but I think one should supply the former as well.
And, no, predictions for the sake of predictions are still a waste of time.
Predictions for predictions sake? I'm saying that if you can criticize the opinions, analysis and predictions of others, you should at least provide some of your own. Go out on a limb, put your ass on the line and then by season's end you'll either be right or wrong for all to see. I think it is good to add accountability to rhetoric.
by NYRoyal on
Feb 14, 2008 5:12 PM EST
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Therein lies your mistake
For runs scored, my eyeball estimate came up with 740 (assuming full season from Pena) and 750 (assuming half season). For runs allowed, I got 770. That lead to pythags of 77 and 79 wins. For writing up the post, I compared them to last year's RS and RA, which is what Will had done above.
As for supporting my opinions, again, you can go back and read my comments explaining why I think Bannister should regress a lot (but should not fall off a cliff), Meche should regress a little, Greinke should improve even if his ERA doesn't, Guillen should come close to repeating his 2007 line, Teahen should improve modestly, and TPJ should post the same line that he has the last five years.
I really do not care if that means I went out on a limb or not.
by Gopherballs on
Feb 14, 2008 6:14 PM EST
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Hillman simply CANNOT fall in love with the
neither can dayton
by LeoBloom on
Feb 14, 2008 6:26 PM EST
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Not a mistake at all
Last year's Pythagorean winning percentage is, by definition based strictly on performance. It is calculated using only runs scored and runs allowed. The team's actual winning percentage is determined by performance and luck.
The better way is to start with player projections for the upcoming season, figure out runs scored and runs allowed based on those projections, and then run the pythag formula.
That is precisely what I did. I made predictions for each of the Royals players with allowance made for the fact that players outside of the top 30 will get some playing time. Then I calculated how these individual predictions affect overall hitting and pitching stats for the team. I used this to estimate the RS and RA for the 2008 team, which led to my prediction of 765 RS and 755 RA which means 82 wins.
I really do not care if that means I went out on a limb or not.
It's a lot easier to be vague than specific.
by NYRoyal on
Feb 14, 2008 6:32 PM EST
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Pythag record
Which is, as I stated above, a minimal improvement over last year's pythagorean recrod.
by NYRoyal on
Feb 14, 2008 6:34 PM EST
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Actually,
Simply using last year's pythag as the basis for projections is considered lazy analysis by most statheads.
by rfloh on
Feb 15, 2008 7:18 AM EST
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Please
But, if you are comparing this year's Pythagorean expected win total to last year, you should be comparing it to last year's Pythagorean win total, not the actual team record. One should compare apples to apples, not apples to oranges. Of course individual perf


