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The newest Royal: Ramon Ramirez

As we all know, the Royals yesterday parted with a player to be named later for 26-year-old RH reliever Ramon Ramirez.  


Just call him Max Effort

Here's what Baseball America had to say about the trade:

Released by the Rangers after one season as an outfielder in the Dominican Summer League in 1997, Ramirez signed with the Hiroshima Carp as a pitcher in 2002 but pitched just three innings in the Japanese majors. After he impressed Yankees scouts in winter ball, they outbid the Phillies by purchasing his rights from the Carp for $350,000. The Rockies picked him in their trade of Shawn Chacon to the Yankees at the 2005 trade deadline. At his best, Ramirez pitches at 92-94 mph with his fastball and complements it with a tilting slider and a changeup. Though he carries with him the stigma of being a short righthander (he's listed at 5-foot-11, 190 pounds), Ramirez found big league success in 2006 when he was perhaps Colorado's finest rookie performer. He appeared in 61 games, going 3-4, 3.46 with 61 strikeouts and 27 walks in 68 innings. Ramirez crashed back to earth in 2007, posting an 8.31 ERA in 17 innings of work as he pitched through a strain near his right elbow. He was fine for Triple-A Colorado Springs, though, going 4-0, 2.28 with a 35-16 K-BB ratio in 28 innings last season.

Quick Take
Feeling better this spring, Ramirez reportedly can throw his breaking ball without pain, making him a worthwhile gamble for the Royals.


He was once in the Yankees organization.  Don't hold it against him.

The stats:

2006 3.46 ERA, 67.2 IP, 58 H, 5 HR, 27 BB, 61 SO, 1.256 WHIP
2007 8.31 ERA, 17.1 IP, 21 H, 2 HR, 6 BB, 15 SO, 1.558 WHIP

Career stats away from Coors Field:

1.08 ERA 33.1 IP, 26 H, 1 HR, 13 BB, 27 K, 1.172 WHIP

Meaningless 2008 spring training stats:

1.34 ERA, 13.2 IP, 7 H, 1 HR, 3 BB, 14 K, 0.730 WHIP (updated 3/27)

He appears to be a younger version of Joel Peralta.  They are both short for a major league pitcher at 5'11", but both have pretty good velocity and strikeout rates.  Ramirez gets a few more strikeouts and Peralta allows a few fewer walks.  Of course, the sample size for Ramirez's stats is very small, so he could go in any number of directions.  Clearly Moore and his people like Ramirez and his stuff.  The good news from spring training is that it's clear that he's pitching without pain and he's able to throw all of his pitches, including his very good breaking ball.

Rockies fans clearly liked Ramirez and were excited to see what he'd do this year.  Here is a sampling of the comments I've read:

  • As a Rockies fan I am sorry to see this guy go he has great stuff but the rocks have given Wells 3.1 so we are keeping hime instead here are Ramirez's spring numbers
  • Last year in the majors he went 17 appearances (of 22 total) without giving up a run, and didn't give up a run in any of his 11 Road games. His BB could of course be a little lower, but its something you can get away with in the Pen quite often... Although just a BP arm, this could be a great pickup for the Royals and the change away from Colorado could have a rather dramatic looking effect on a rather skilled looking Ramirez.
  • We are definately sad to see him go he was what we got for Shaun Chacon from the Yanks since Chacon was from here(Greeley High school) and had that allstar year(before the break) we had some sentiment on that one. Good luck to Ramon I wouldn't be suprised to see him as the set up guy for Soria by seasons end
  • I'm a little disappointed to hear Ramon Ramirez was traded to KC today. I had a feeling he would emerge this year and challenge for the 8th inning role.
  • I couldn't find any Rockies fan who was happy he's gone.  He's no Jorge De La Rosa.

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    Good write up
    Joel Peralta - that's a good comp. I don't think Peralta even has that kind of velocity though. Sounds like he's a fairly polished kid who could even get better under the tutelage of McClure and become a dominant setup guy.
    Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

    by RoyalsRetro on Mar 27, 2008 4:03 PM EDT   0 recs

    Improve the control a bit
    ...and you've got a pitcher clearly better than Peralta...and younger.  Of course, we don't know if that will ever happen, but I like his upside.
    I probably disagree with you.

    by NYRoyal on Mar 27, 2008 4:04 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Yes, Ramirez has about 2 MPH on Peralta
    He is a nice little pickup with potential to be more than that.  

    by Gopherballs on Mar 27, 2008 4:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Good thing we don't visit Denver much...
    Just kidding.  As you mentioned, he's similar to Peralta.  What does this do to our realistic depth at righty reliever then?

    Soria
    Yabuta
    Ramirez
    Nunez
    Peralta
    Nomo
    Salmon
    Braun
    Duckworth
    Tsao

    Does that look correct?  Am I missing someone?  

    by KC Chris on Mar 27, 2008 4:11 PM EDT   0 recs

    Hard to say
    I really don't know at this point where Ramirez, Nunez and Peralta should be ranked.  They are all at approximately the same level.  And we really don't know how the organization feels about Nomo or Tsao.  My guess would be:

    Soria
    Yabuta
    Peralta
    Ramirez
    Nunez
    Salmon
    Nomo (if he stays with the team at all)
    Braun
    Duckworth

    I left Tsao off the list because he just isn't at 100% yet.  If/when he gets there, I would put him up above Salmon on my list.

    I probably disagree with you.

    by NYRoyal on Mar 27, 2008 4:17 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    I read
    somewhere that Nomo has a strain (hammy or groin or somehting).  You seen this?  I'll buy that on Tsao.  That's why I had him so low.

    I had ranked Ramirez and Nunez ahead of Peralta due to options.  Maybe that's not how they're viewing it.

    by KC Chris on Mar 27, 2008 4:33 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Nomo and Peralta
    Yes, Nomo is hurt and he'll either go to the DL, go to Omaha or be released (if he had an agreement with the Royals that he'd be released if not on the big club by a certain date).

    Ramirez and Nunez will definitely make the team and Peralta will go to Omaha, but that is just the numbers game.  And Peralta will be back after 8 games.  I don't think that means they think Ramirez and Nunez are necessarily better than Peralta.

    I probably disagree with you.

    by NYRoyal on Mar 27, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Since we're
    discussing Ramirez in two different diaries...

    What do you think is the return for him.  I don't think Johnson would be sufficient for him, as was mentioned in the other diary (and probably not available due to Salmon trade).  So who is sufficient?

    I would bet the list we gave them includes guys like DLR, Peralta, Duckworth, Maybe Maier???  I could be wrong on those, but is that the level we're looking at?

    by KC Chris on Mar 27, 2008 4:51 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Hopefully not a real prospect
    I'm hoping it is someone like DLR, Duckworth or Nomo.  I wouldn't mind if it was Maier or Lubanski.
    I probably disagree with you.

    by NYRoyal on Mar 27, 2008 4:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Maier Just Got
    A hit, which makes him invaluable. We couldn't possibly trade him.
    I'm not getting older....oh, wait, yes I am....and slower.... and weaker. God, this is great!

    by philofthenorth on Mar 27, 2008 5:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    i read the comments on him in BP last night
    but now i have forgotten them

    thanks for the writeup

    I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

    by LeoBloom on Mar 27, 2008 4:48 PM EDT   0 recs

    Ponder this
    Has Moore identified the new "undervalued" asset, moneyball style?

    By that, I mean shorter relief pitchers who defy the odds with max effort style?

    We can cite Leo Nunez, Ramirez, and Peralta as three examples of this.

    Of course, a cynic will soon post something about why did we draft Hochevar and not Lincecum.

    Something to think about, or just coincidence?

    by loyal2s dad on Mar 27, 2008 5:15 PM EDT   0 recs

    He tried
    to trade Nunez for half a season of Bradley.  And he traded Howell (short , max ef) for Gator.

    But I think you're on to somehting...  :)

    by KC Chris on Mar 27, 2008 5:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Ramirez just threw a perfect inning.
    Obviously this was Dayton's best trade yet.

    by doublestix on Mar 27, 2008 5:18 PM EDT   0 recs

    KC has build considerable numbers in the RH
    relief area.  Perhaps by getting a bunch of guys with potential, maybe the Royals will be lucky with one or two who are better than expected.  Remember Leo Nunez was acquired for Benito Santiago.  It could take time with some of them and others are one year- take a shot types.

    Overall, the pitching depth is much better and the competition at Omaha is good.  No need to rush a Hochevar, Rosa, or Cortes in order to fill in at the big league level.  The pitcher I think will be best served at Omaha is Kyle Davies.  He was rushed in Atlanta and needs more work.  Talent wise, he looks good but more AAA innings should help him.  Same with Hochevar.  In 2005 or 2006, Hochevar would have been the opening day starter after the ST he had this year.  

    At the eve of the season, it is good to remember that the pitching staff will go 15-20 deep by the end of the year.  Numbers are a benefit when injuries and ineffectiveness happen. Speaking of which, is it just me or has the Royals front line bullpen guys (Mahay, Yabuta, Soria, Nunez) struggled in ST?  Seems like they are giving up lots of runs even late in the spring trainging season.

    I also like the timing of Nomo's "strained" groin.  

    by daveyork on Mar 27, 2008 5:29 PM EDT   0 recs

    Doesn't
    Nomo need to be added to the 40-man to put him on the DL?  But, yes, curious... I was really hoping Tomko was the guy to strain an oblique this year!  :)

    I'm not sure how much Davies has to work on other than maybe doing some sit ups and a few laps around the park everyday.  His problems seem to occur later in the game.  

    by KC Chris on Mar 27, 2008 5:53 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    I don't think any injury fiction is needed
    He has a minor league deal, so he can go to the minors, period.  If he needs to be released because of a clause in his contract, he'll be released.  A fake DL stint isn't needed. If he is injured, he can go on the minor league DL.
    I probably disagree with you.

    by NYRoyal on Mar 27, 2008 6:00 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

    Davies
    Davies needs serious work on his control and command -- he either misses the plate (4.7 BB/9 in 2006, 4.6 BB/9 in 2007), or gets too much of it (1.99 HR/9 in 2006, 1.46 HR/9 in 2007).  Davies has been uniformly lousy in the early innings as the later innings.  

    Opposing OPS by Inning 2007
    Innings 1-3: .845
    Innings 4-6: .895
    Innings 7-9: .797 (he only faced 28 batters after the 6th inning)

    by Gopherballs on Mar 27, 2008 6:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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