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Seven rules changes I'd like to see

In my heart, I'm actually something of a baseball traditionalist.  I don't like change.  I don't want the game changed much at all.  But there are a handful of rules changes which I'd actually support.  Some of these are reasonable, realistic and doable.  Others are more of a reach and won't ever happen.  

1. Electronic ball and strike calls
Game Improvement Factor: 8 (out of 10)
Likelihood of enactment: 7 (but it will likely be many years)

Nothing frustrates me more than the inconsistent strike zones from umpire to umpire, game to game, and sometimes pitch to pitch.  While it would need to be further developed, refined and perfected, the technology currently exists to have an electric "eye" call balls and strikes.  In my proposal, the Questec/Pitch f/x system would determine the ball/strike call and instantly relay it to an earpiece which the home plate umpire is wearing and then he would actually make the call.  So, the fans in the stands and watching on TV would not notice a difference.  What would be different is that every ball which touches the strike zone would be a called a strike.  That would be a refreshing change.  Wouldn't it be nice to have a strike zone that every pitcher and batter could rely on?  It would definitely help pitchers with good control and hitters with a good eye.  But mostly it would make the strike zone as clear and reliable as the foul lines.


Wouldn't it be fun to see Ozzie Guillen yelling at a computer screen?

2. No Designated Hitter
Game improvement factor: 5
Likelihood of enactment: 2

The American League has had the designated hitter for almost all of my life and certainly all of the time I have been following baseball.  So I am certainly used to it, but I've never liked it.  It is an odd construct meant to artificially increasing offense and scoring.  I greatly prefer baseball without a designated hitter, with all of the tactical decisions and options that go with it.  And the game doesn't need more offense; it needs less.  There are far too many 10-run games.


What do you mean I can't DH?  If you don't let me DH I'm going to crush my manager against you like a grape!

3. Very limited instant replay
Game improvement factor: 7
Likelihood of enactment: 9

I don't love instant replay in any sport.  I hate the 5 minute breaks in NFL games for instant replay.  Although they do help to make the right call many times, it is a major break in the flow of the game.  But in a situation where the flow of the game would be broken for several minutes anyway, why not make sure the call is correct by using instant replay.  That is why I would be in favor using instant replay for determining home run calls.  We've all seen situations where a ball went deep and no one is quite sure if it was fair or foul or if the ball went over the yellow line or if it hit a railing.  And the difference between a home run and a ground rule double or a foul ball is obviously huge.

Currently, in such circumstances, what happens is that the manager comes out and argues.  Then the umpires all get together and talk about it for a few minutes before making a final call which may be the same as or different from the original call.  Often, the umpires really aren't sure and they just have to make some call.  So what would be the harm in having managers initiate a replay review under these circumstances, much as they do in the NFL?  Managers get one or two a game, they inform the home plate umpire that they want it reviewed, he goes into the dugout to watch a monitor for a finite period of time and then makes the call.  And to prevent further delay, the rule can state that managers who argue the instant replay call are automatically ejected (similar to the rule against arguing balls and strikes).  This proposed rule would not increase game delays and it would definitely increase accuracy in home run calls.

A version of this was approved by the general managers early this winter.  It was then sent to the commissioner's office.  Unsurprisingly, the comissioner's office hasn't done anything with it.  That office announced some very minor rules changes a couple weeks ago, with no mention of instant replay.


A MLB umpire standing at one of these machines would look 36% less foolish.

4. Home field advantage for the World Series determined by record
Game improvement factor: 2
Likelihood of enactment: 6

Determing World Series home field advantage by the winner of an exhibition game where players are substituted randomly every other inning is one of the stupidest moves MLB has ever made.  While disparities in the quality of competition in the two leagues makes this solution imperfect, it is a definite improvement over the current rule.


Regardless of home field advantage, the Red Sox would have swept the Rockies or any generic "National League Champion"

5. A little ball doctoring
Game improvement factor: 2
Likelihood of enactment: 0

I don't know about you, but I love watching pitches that have a lot of movement.  There's nothing more impressive than a pitcher really fooling a batter with pitch that starts on one directional vector dives in another.  I'd like to see more of this.  To that end, I would be in favor of allow pitchers to scuff the ball a little.  Pitchers would be allowed to scuff or otherwise deface the ball as much as they want with the following limitations:  1) They can't use any tools or objects.  They have to use their hands, fingers and fingernails.  No nail files, tacks or anything else.  2)  They can't add any foreign substances to the ball.  No spit, pine tar, vaseline, vagisil or anything else.  One might worry that this will slow down the game as pitchers stand on the mound working diligently to scuff the ball.  But MLB has time limits on pitchers now which prevent this.  A pitcher would have to get it done fairly quickly.

Back in the early days of professional baseball, owners were more cost conscious.  One of the effects of this was that balls were kept in the game much longer than they are now.  Nowadays, if a ball is a little scuffed or dirty, the umpire will immediately throw the ball out of the game.  In the old days, balls would often get scuffed and dirty over the course of a game and a new, clean ball or "pearl" would only be inserted into the game when necessary.  The trend towards pristine baseballs has taken away an important part of a pitcher's arsenal.  One of the better pitchers in major league history Eddie Cicotte has a signature pitched called the "shine ball."  He would dirty up, scuff and otherwise doctor one side of the ball and "shine" the other side by repeatedly rubbing it on the leg of his pants.  It created a ball which was visually deceptive because it was two-tone with  unpredictable movement because of the aerodynamic differences of the two sides of the ball.  I would propose that umpires not throw out every baseball which isn't pristine.  The balls should be kept in until they are unplayable or until the pitcher requests a new one.  While my rules change would not allow a true shine ball, it would give more options to pitchers.


Gaylord Perry was scufflicious for eight major league teams, although he preferred foreign substances and nail files over the fingernails god gave him.

6. Raise the pitching mound
Game improvement factor: 5
Likelihood of enactment: 3

In 1904, a uniform 15-inch pitching mound was instituted.  This mound height continued through the golden age of baseball and for a total of 65 years.  In 1969, MLB overreacted to the offense-light baseball of the 60's by lowering mound height to 10 inches.  Since then a variety of factors have conspired to push up hitting power and runs per game up incredibly.  It is time to readjust the pitching-hitting equilibrium.  I would be in favor of taking the mound height back up to the traditional 15 inches, but I'd be happy with anything in the 12-15 inch range.


This mound is currently under construction.

7. More interleague games
Game improvement factor: 2
Likelihood of enactment: 5

In addition to being a fan of the Royals, I'm a fan of baseball.  Like many fans, I'm pretty familiar with teams in other divisions and in the other league.  I'd like the Royals to face more NL teams so I can see them face some teams from each NL divison every year.  Throw in some weighted "parity scheduling" like the NFL does and you've also got a schedule which helps poorer, perpetually losing teams.


There are interesting teams to play in purple, brown and green states too.

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great stuff
you mean, this time it won't count?
"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Mar 8, 2008 5:21 PM EST   0 recs

I wont lie I like offense
But I would also like for there to be better pitching so I agree with raising the mound and scuffing up the ball a little.

by TXroyal on Mar 8, 2008 5:47 PM EST   0 recs

I would like to see ball doctoring
but am not a fan of a raised mound... no real reason, just, I am now used to the current scoring levels

by royalsreview on Mar 8, 2008 5:49 PM EST   0 recs

picture #1
The ump came in for a kiss and Ozzie decided to make it the french variety. Okay here's my new rule. Lets get rid of pitch counts. Just let pitchers pitch til their arm falls off.
BELIEVE!! 162 WINS IN '08!!

by Shooter on Mar 8, 2008 7:30 PM EST   0 recs

I do prefer pitching to abundant offense
I really think the pitching/offense balance is out of whack.  Something should be done.  If not all of the above pro-pitching rules changes, at least one or two of them.  I'm not saying we should go back to the deadball era full of 1-0 and 2-1 games, but I think we fan improve over the current frequency of 10-9 games.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Mar 9, 2008 12:46 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I think you are overstating things
I don't think the game is overrun with 10-9 contests. Last year, most teams only hit 10 runs around 6 times (the Angels led baseball with scoring 10 runs 12 times, red Sox and Nyy hit it 9 times and on down the line).

Games in which teams scored 11 or 12 runs were understandably rarer, most teams only hit 12 2 or 3 times, and many teams never reached higher than that. (I am using BP's stats, which don't have a "or higher function" so I can't get the whole data at once.)

To take a random, average offense team, as an example, lets look at the Devil Rays, who finished 15th in runs scored.

here's how they did:

9 runs: 7 times
10 runs: 3 times
11 runs: 4 times
12 runs: 1 time
13 runs: 1 time
14 runs: 2 times
15 runs: 1 time
16 runs: 0 times
17 runs: 1 time
18 runs: 0 times

So, all told, thats 20 games, out of 162. Sure, in matters of taste there can be no dispute, but thats still only 12% of their games.

by royalsreview on Mar 9, 2008 5:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's all subjective
But we all know that offense is way up in the 90's and 2000's.  Runs and HR's are way up over the 80's and 70's.  We are in one of the most offensive periods in the modern history of baseball (since about 1901).  The pitching/hitting balance is about as far out of whack as it ever has been.  Some like that.  I certainly don't.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Mar 9, 2008 5:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

more on devil rays
they were also shut out 7 times, limited to one run 22 times and limited to two runs 12 times

So, all told, they scored 9 or more runs 20 times and 2 or fewer runs 41 times

this seems like an ideal balance to me

i think the game is best when you can have a wide variety of outcomes... as a rays fan, you really never know what you're going to see, they might score 2 runs or they might score 9

that makes the game more intellectually appealing

by royalsreview on Mar 9, 2008 5:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Strike Zone
Is the biggest reason offense has gone wild. Lower thigh to navel seems to be the standard for low/high calls today. Some umps give the low strike, but none give the strike at the letters.

I'm no fan of the DH, but the union probably won't allow MLB to do away with it. Too many players would be forced into an earlier retirement.

I really don't like interleague play that much. I see it as a novelty, and I don't mind it in limited quantities, but there is too much potential to skew the league results in my mind. Direct rivals (Royals/Cards, eg) are good for the game. Padres/Pirates......not so much.

Raise the mound some. Try 12" first.

I'm not getting older....oh, wait, yes I am....and slower.... and weaker. God, this is great!

by philofthenorth on Mar 8, 2008 9:39 PM EST   0 recs

Pads/Bucs
What do the Padres playin the Pirates have to do with interleague play?

by MileHighKCfan on Mar 10, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Nothing
I realized that as soon as I posted; I hoped people would take it as the Royals playing the Padres or Pirates. Actually, they're all hated rivals when we play them.
I'm not getting older....oh, wait, yes I am....and slower.... and weaker. God, this is great!

by philofthenorth on Mar 10, 2008 2:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No technology integrated into the game please...
I guess you don't really like arguments.

by 390 on Mar 8, 2008 10:01 PM EST   0 recs

There will still be arguments
First, I really don't think arguments are the most fun part of the game.  I don't think I would put it in my top 10.  Second, even if all of the above rule changes were enacted, there would still be arguments.  As ball/strike arguments result in automatic ejections, there aren't many arguments about them.  And I don't think a high percentage of arguments are due to HR calls.  I think the vast majority of arguments have to do with calls on the bases, which I wouldn't touch.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Mar 9, 2008 12:50 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well, that was more
a gentle dig at your penchant for debate...

Not to get all Costas on you but Baseball more than other sports is about historic authenticity.   Christy Mathweson may or may not have read Jules Verne, but I doubt he'd be comfortable with robots calling his balls and strikes.  It just doesn't feel right.

by 390 on Mar 9, 2008 12:19 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I can understand that
I'm sure it wouldn't feel right to most people.  But baseball has turned its back on historic authenticity many times.  Divisional play, the designated hitter and interleague play are some examples.  I would suggest that the rationale behind electronic ball/strike calls makes a more persuasive case for change than any of those other departures from tradition.  And the fact that this would not involve any aesthetic change in the game experience would certainly soften the blow.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Mar 9, 2008 12:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

historic authenticity
Yes, MLB has turned it's back on historic authenticity - on several items on your list.  The DH is probably the most egregious change, imo.  I'm not a fan of interleague play either -- seems like a marketing gimmick, and takes away some of the drama of the world series.  (Divisional play doesn't bother me, since it's really just a way to accommodate the increased number of teams.)

But I think electronic ball/strike calls would change the aesthetics of the game more that you think.  There are always unforeseen consequences.  I'm all for rigorous electronic evaluation of umps, btw...

by 390 on Mar 9, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Electronic evaluation of umps
If electronic evaluation of umps was actually working in making strike zones consistent, then I might think that is sufficient.  But it just isn't doing that.  I'll assume for the sake of argument that it is improving consistency, but not nearly by enough.  Neither pitchers nor batters know from one game to the next where the strike zone is going to be.  And with some umpires, you don't know from one inning to the next or one pitch to the next.

As far as aesthetics, the game would look and sound exactly the same with an electronic system making the call and relaying it to the umpire.  The only aesthetics that would change would be the occasional grousing from the dugout about balls and strikes and the even more rare arguments about them.  That's a small price to pay for a real and accurate strike zone.  Baseball is more of a sport with rules and boundaries, than a nebulous art form.  I'd be willing to sacrifice a very little bit of the art to get more accuracy.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Mar 9, 2008 4:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Art vs. Rules
Art is not necessarily nebulous, nor in conflict with rules and boundaries.  

I think the sticking point is more the appropriate use if technology.   In 100 years we may have a much more accurate game, but will it be as fun to watch?

by 390 on Mar 9, 2008 6:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think accurate ball/strike calls...
...would make the game less fun to watch, particularly if those calls are coming from the umpire's mouth.  But that is of course very subjective.  I'm sure some people would hate the mere thought that the actual call was being made electronically.  I think for most fans, who wouldn't see or hear any difference, it wouldn't bother them at all.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Mar 9, 2008 9:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know if we necessarily need
to eliminate umps, but we do need to cross their results with questec in EVERY park and get rid of those who don't measure up in terms of their ball-strike calls.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Mar 8, 2008 10:14 PM EST   0 recs

I'm sorry. Nothing personal
but I only like number 7. I love inconsistant strike zones. That comes from the player in me I guess. I like complaining about them and I like watching others complain about them. In basketball, refs blow calls like fouls all the time (especially nowadays). In football, penalties are often handed out wrongly with a coach going nuts. To me, these things only make the game better. Not a big fan of doctoring the ball unless you're going to start allowing aluminum bats. But, I'd love to see more interleague games. I like our division, but doesn't it seem like we play the White Sox and Twins way too much? I could be flexible on raising the pitcher's mound. I would have to see it to know if I would like it. I would also go as far as to say that I would like the National League go to the DH as well. Pitchers hitting is generally too painful to bear (apologies to Micah Owings, Mike Hampton, and Brooks Kiershnick). I really just like the game the way it is.

by royaldaddy on Mar 8, 2008 10:46 PM EST   0 recs

remember back when the big conspiracy
was that the balls were juiced? this was around, say 2000-2, back before the steroid hysteria hit

i can remember it all the time on talk radio, and reading expose like pieces were reporters would go to the ball factory, or try to measure historical balls, etc...

by royalsreview on Mar 9, 2008 5:19 PM EDT   0 recs

i remember
that happening earlier - when sosa/mcguire were heroes to a nation.  

by 390 on Mar 9, 2008 5:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Honestly, I kind of like the DH
Having the pitcher bat makes the game more strategic, but also way less entertaining.

That being said, I like a lot of the other ideas, except the ball-doctoring one, mostly because at what point do you determine that a scuffed-up ball needs to be removed from play?  The current system has a much clearer distinction for when that is, and for the sake of fairness, I think it should remain that way.

by DarthYoshi on Mar 9, 2008 11:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Ball doctoring
That being said, I like a lot of the other ideas, except the ball-doctoring one, mostly because at what point do you determine that a scuffed-up ball needs to be removed from play?  The current system has a much clearer distinction for when that is, and for the sake of fairness, I think it should remain that way.

First, I don't think the current standard for umpires to use for keeping a ball in use is clear.  The rule isn't that the ball has to be exactly pristine.  In fact, I don't think there is a clear rule at all.  There is a general standard which umpires have come to understand.  Second, I think a similar standard could be arrived at which is less particular.  Back in the early 20th century, they didn't have a standard of pristine or near-pristine for baseballs.  But they had some standard which the umpires manged and everyone accepted.  We could go back to something like that which is, I believe, equally workable.  And, as I proposed above, pitchers can always ask for a fresh ball, as they can now.  So it seems entirely fair to both teams.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Mar 10, 2008 9:55 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The current standard may not be crystal
but it is probably relatively clearer than would be the case if you allowed a certain amount of doctoring--sure, there will be a standard for that as well, but I think it will be less universally enforced (heck, you talk about how the strike zone isn't universally enforced, and we have a commonly understood notion of that--a commonly understood notion of how doctored a ball ought to be allowed to be would be far more difficult to enforce).  In this case, it is better to be equitable.

by DarthYoshi on Mar 10, 2008 11:54 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Inter-league play
I think the idea of more inter-league games is a good idea, and it helps that the royals have had good success against the national league, well except for the cards of course.

by ed65jag on Mar 10, 2008 12:16 AM EDT   0 recs

i would actually prefer going the other way
in scheduling

no interleague
no unbalanced schedule

everyone plays everyone the same # of times

by royalsreview on Mar 10, 2008 12:40 AM EDT   0 recs

Yeah, That
Interleague used to be strictly exhibition between natural rivals; not a bad idea.
I'm not getting older....oh, wait, yes I am....and slower.... and weaker. God, this is great!

by philofthenorth on Mar 10, 2008 1:43 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Replay
I like your ideas but I would tweak the replay one slightly...

Why have the ump get under the hood, ala the NFL, instead if having a replay assistant, ala college football? While the umps are twiddling their thumbs, conferring on the "correct" call, the replay guy has already had three or four looks and has probably made a call or is that much closer to making a call. This just speeds up the whole process (the biggest complaint of replay in any sport).

And you dont need to provide an on field replay machine (no funny pictures of zebras looking into a monitor..)

by ctrell on Mar 10, 2008 1:45 AM EDT   0 recs

All-Star game home-field advantage
I like this development quite a bit, though I seem to be in the minority. I feel like it brings even more excitement to what's already my favorite All-Star game in any sport. I love that great moments like Blalock hitting that home run against Gagne -- at the height of his consecutive-save streak invulnerability -- carry extra gravity because of the game's reinforced importance.

In other "meaningless game" news, here are two Spring Training statistics that interest me despite their relative irrelevance:

Joey Gathright 6SB, 0CS
Justin Huber .455/.500/.909 (11 AB well spent!)

by andrewmiller on Mar 10, 2008 10:16 AM EDT   0 recs

sad day
matt wright is gone
Hillman, you're on notice.

by FireBell on Mar 10, 2008 11:42 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My thoughts
  1. For some reason I just don't like the idea of electronic umpires. I like the human element. I do wish they would use Questec to evaluate umpires. And I wish they would better enforce the strike zone from the armpits to the knees.
  2. Love the DH. The NL is the only league I know of that doesn't use it. It is the anachronism. I actually like the duality though. Makes for an interesting contrast. But keep the DH in the American League. No need to see pitchers flailing away.
  3. I'd wanted instant replay even more limited than what you suggest. Like only for fair/foul balls and home run/double calls. I would not use it for out/safe calls. One problem though - say there's a runner at first and the ball goes down the line, and the umpire calls it foul, but the replay shows it was fair? Do you treat it as a ground rule double and the runner has to stay at third?
  4. Absolutely. Its ridiculous they don't do this.
  5. Meh. Don't see that as being that big a deal.
  6. Nooooo!!! I see people recommend this all the time. Raising the pitching mound just increases strikeouts. Strikeouts are boring and fascist. To make the game more aesthetically pleasing you want more action, more balls in play. if you want to decrease offense, while simulatenously putting more balls in play, I'd recommend more strict rules on bat widths. Bat widths have gotten out of control, allowing thin guys like Alfonso Soriano to whip around a huge bat and become a power hitter. Baseball needs to crack down on these bats.
  7. Not a real fan of interleague play to be honest. I'd like to go back to the balanced schedule of the 1980s. I'm sick of playing Detroit 19 times a year. I'm a stick in the mud.
Other rule changes I'd like to see:
  1. Bat restrictions, see above.
  2. Reduce the roster to 24. This would hopefully get teams to stop carrying 12 pitchers, leading to less specialization and fewer pitching changes. The union would vociferously combat this, so you'd have to make some sort of concession, maybe raising the league minimum or establishing a veteran league minimum.
  3. Realign to two divisions in each league. Its Its silly to have four teams in one division, and six in another. Its also become too easy to win a division (people forget that in 1995, the AL West winner was going to have a losing record, and an awful one at that). Go back to the 1980s divisional alignments. Keep two wild cards if you want, but the three divisional alignment sucks IMO.
  4. Get rid of unbalanced scheduling. Playing Detroit 19 times gets boring. Its also unfair that the Braves have to play the Mets 19 times while the Cards get to play the Pirates 19 times. Unbalanced scheduling has also made it so a team like the Royals might host a team in their own league just once. That can really hurt attendance if the Royals can only draw a team like the Yankees only once a season.
  5. Expand to Portland and New Jersey. People will say the talent pool is diluted. Poppycock. Baseball is drawing more talent than ever before. We have more than enough talent for 32 teams. Portland is a fast growing metropolis that is ready for baseball. The New York area can easily support a third team and this can eat into the huge advantage the Yankees have.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Mar 10, 2008 11:40 AM EDT   0 recs

yes...
Its funny that we have all this poppycock about the integrity of the game, etc. but the basic structure of the schedule is ripe with much bigger problems. Unbalanced schedules, uneven divisions, weird interleague stuff, etc.

I am against the NFLization of the sport. 162 fair games, with a regular season that means something, is best.

Hillman, you're on notice.

by FireBell on Mar 10, 2008 11:44 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I like all of these except #2
I don't think there is anything wrong with keeping a LOOGY on staff.  If you keep the DH and try to enforce a smaller bullpen, that will make the game even less strategic.  I really don't mind the pitching changes, baseball is a pretty slow game anyways and cutting back one one fewer pitching change a game isn't going to change that pace a whole lot.

by DarthYoshi on Mar 10, 2008 11:49 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Why don't people like interleague play?
I've seen lots of people say in one way or another that they don't much like interleague play?  Why is that?  Don't you like seeing the Royals play more than just AL teams?  Don't you like seeing the Royals play against other teams and other star players?  Don't you like seeing good teams from each league play each other?  Of course not all interleague games are interesting, but neither are all intra-league games.  I think the semi-strict seperation of leagues is anachronistic and silly.  Let's play everyone.  Well, that would be impractical, so let's at least play against more teams.  Why would that be a bad thing?  So we can play more games against the Rays?  So we can play another dozen games against the Twins?
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Mar 10, 2008 11:47 AM EDT   0 recs

+1
Decreasing interleague games is another way of making the schedule unbalanced.  There are a lot of NL stars I'd like to see the Royals play against.

by DarthYoshi on Mar 10, 2008 11:51 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm a stick in the mud
I like the game to be the way it was when I grew up I think.

The big reasons I don't like is I don't think its fair - different teams competing for the same wild card are playing a different level of opponent. It takes away from games against non-divisional AL opponents - the Royals only host certain AL teams once.

And I think its a novelty that has kind of run its course. I don't mind keeping a home and away against a traditional rival like the Cards, but I think its time to end the Royals-Pirates rivalry.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Mar 10, 2008 12:02 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

A couple things
The big reasons I don't like is I don't think its fair

The problem is the way MLB schedules interleague games.  They could easily divide up the matchups so that the difficulty of schedule is much more even for all teams in the league.

And I think its a novelty that has kind of run its course.

The seperation of leagues is an irrational antique which needs to be done away with or at least significantly decreased.  That particular "tradition" has no utility.  I don't even understand how it helps fans enjoy the game more.  Would fans really enjoy baseball more if they had fewer teams to play against?  There's lots of good and interesting baseball out there.  I'd like the Royals to face more of it, not less.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Mar 10, 2008 12:23 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Irrational antique
Of course there is no rational reason to keep teams in separate leagues other than tradition. But tradition is a big part of why people love the game. If you mess with it too much, you risk turning away some of your biggest fans. There is something to be said for preserving some of that tradition.

I really like the separation of leagues. I like that they are so different too. One league is the offense league, the other has better pitching. Each league has its own character and history. You remove that and I think baseball loses something. I don't like the East-West dichotomy of the NBA. It seems largely arbitrary.

Baseball though has two leagues that grew up separately with their own traditions. One was created to compete with the other! When I grew up the All-Star game meant more because I got to see NL stars. The World Series meant more even if the Royals weren't in it because it was "our league" vs. "their league."

I don't know, maybe that stuff is overrated and maybe I'm just an antiquated traditionalist, but I think that stuff is important, and I'm not overly impressed with the Royals playing random NL teams all the time.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Mar 10, 2008 12:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

+1
my thoughts exactly. interleague play dilutes the impact of the world series. the all-star also seems to mean less now somehow, even with all the 'this time it counts' hype.  it feels like a marketing stunt that has more or less run its course.

by 390 on Mar 10, 2008 2:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Traditionalists
So, these "biggest fans" who love the game of baseball, not necessarily MLB, are all of a sudden going to say, "I have had it! I can't stomach my Royals playing the Braves and if they take one more trip to Coors Field then I am writing a letter to my congressman!" Really?

Just because there is scheduling changes doesn't really change the GAME of baseball, which is what the fans come out for. I just dont understand how Royals fans, with the no rival thing, could be opposed to seeing more teams at the expense of less Tigers and Twins.

Poz just wrote a blog about people overreacting to new baseball stats because they didn't grow up with them and how little sense that makes.  Change isnt always evil. Its just different. We all seem to embrace OPS+ and VORP but playing more teams in 162 games is considered to be blasphemy.. Weird.
 

by ctrell on Mar 10, 2008 2:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No
But it may lead to them not being as excited about the game as it becomes more and more different from the game they grew up with. That may lead to less viewing, fewer games attending, etc.

But the traditionalists are obviously a small minority. Most people at the game are casual fans that probably love seeing NL stars come through. Just voicing my own personal opinion. NYRoyal is right, there is no "rational" reason for the opinion, but all of these proposed rule changes are to achieve some personal tastes (less offense, more interleague games, etc.) that have no intrinsic rationality.

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by RoyalsRetro on Mar 10, 2008 2:50 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

That's true, except...
NYRoyal is right, there is no "rational" reason for the opinion, but all of these proposed rule changes are to achieve some personal tastes (less offense, more interleague games, etc.) that have no intrinsic rationality.

That is true, except for the electronic ball/strike calls and instant replay.  Those rule changes are all about rationality.  They are about making correct ball/strike and HR calls.  While they are not necessary and opinions on them have a lot to do with subjective opinions about what you like to see in a game,  They are intrinsically rational.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Mar 10, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rational
Being rational just means exercising reasonable judgement according the facts as you see them.  We are all being 'rational' according to our own biases.  

by 390 on Mar 10, 2008 3:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not saying anyone is being irrational
I just see calling the game in a way that is more accurate and more closely follows the rules and boundaries of the game as something that is logical, reasonable and sensible, aka rational.  I see these rules proposals different from my suggestions to help pitching, which are merely about a style of baseball that I prefer.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Mar 10, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

If my math is correct
(which it very well might not be)

then a 162-game schedule allows for each AL team to host all the other teams twice and visit all the other teams twice and still have room for one six-game interleague rivalry, but nothing more.

That being said, I'm willing to place more of the blame of hosting certain AL teams only once on the fact that we play other AL central teams 76 times a year.

My idea is hopefully a bit of a compromise--scale back on the intradivision games enough so that a team can alternate years between hosting a division once and hosting a division twice (for instance, in 2008, the Royals could host the AL East for two series and the AL West for one (meaning they visit all the AL West teams twice and all the AL East teams once), and then in 2009 it'd be flipped--they'd host the AL West for two and the AL East for one).  9 games against the 9 non-central AL teams would constitute 50% of the schedule, which seems fair to me.  This balances the schedule somewhat and still allows for some interleague matchups.

by DarthYoshi on Mar 10, 2008 12:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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